Played EWR and the TEW series for many years now, also have played Football Manager for a good 5 years or so now, and am only now getting into OOTP and the DDS football series as I'm just sick of the cut, copy, and paste Madden routine every year, the diehards who've loved franchise over the years, especially the connected franchise people (where the real fun is with friends) just constantly put aside and neglected for the mut cash cow, very sad, but I'm hoping the DDS football games give me some newfound hope that there's still some great fun to be had with an in depth football game out there.