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The Mystery of Winner Instinct (Mega Thread)

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If there's one thing that is a complete mystery in GPHM it is how to raise your team's Winner Instinct (WI).  Although I thoroughly enjoy the fact that the Admins have only shared a fraction of the information, leaving managers to figure it out for themselves... I also enjoy the conversations it creates - so why not try to crack the code together... or use the information contained here to crack the code on your own and keep it to yourself 😜

I feel like getting this value perfect is like piecing together a puzzle.  There are many factors and you need the perfect balance of those factors, including: Big Games trait, Ego Trait, Team Captains, Reputation of Players & Certain attributes of players. 

 

Below are the "official" notes from the Help Files.

http://forums.gmgames.org/topic/10834-team-spirit-done/

http://forums.gmgames.org/topic/10844-roster-captains-and-lineup-done/

 

Here's what I gather from the two links above:

- WI is mostly impacted by the Big Games trait.  You need quite a bit of Heroic/Determined players, but not too many as it will create disputes within your team.  You will also need some Anxious/Nervous, but not too many.

- In line with the above, you also need some Arrogant/Cocky players to boost your WI, but too many will negatively impact your Teamwork.

- Team Captains have a large influence on WI.  From other help files, it is known that Player Reputation and the Spirit Attribute factor into the Captains influence on a team, so if your Captains have a larger influence on your WI, then those values may also have an impact on your team's WI.

 

Other personal observations, related to the above:

- I always struggled with WI (couldn't get it above a blue rating) as I mostly focused on Teamwork being Harmony (Friendly/Compassionate players).  It wasn't until I acquired some Arrogant & Cocky players that my WI rose to a green rating. (Others have shared this opinion - see links below).

- When I have more Stars (players with higher reputation) on my team, my WI is higher.

 

Below are some other links to various conversations around WI that have been created over time.  As you can see... if you are confused about this rating, you are not alone!  There are some interesting opinions in these threads, so if you are truly interesting in this topic, be prepared to do some reading.

http://forums.gmgames.org/topic/7564-q-about-winner-instinct/

http://forums.gmgames.org/topic/7400-teamwork-winner-instinct/

http://forums.gmgames.org/topic/9702-improve-winning-instinct/

http://forums.gmgames.org/topic/7242-winners-instinct/

http://forums.gmgames.org/topic/10669-trait-preference/

http://forums.gmgames.org/topic/7461-winner-insticnt/

http://forums.gmgames.org/topic/8247-traits/

http://forums.gmgames.org/topic/7957-team-spirit/

http://forums.gmgames.org/topic/9702-improve-winning-instinct/

http://forums.gmgames.org/topic/8759-so-nervous-i-peed-a-little/

 

Below are a few opinions from the link above that stood out to me.  I can't confirm whether they are true or not.  They could be 100% correct or way off.

- Captains with Heroic or Determined Big Games trait increase WI.

- Only players in the immediate lineup impact WI, not affiliate or scratched players.  In another thread, the exact opposite was also stated.

- Big Games of Goalies factor more than Skaters.

- Don't worry about WI at all.  It is not required to be successful.

- WI is established over time as players get to know each other.

- Big games is overrated.  An Anxious/Nervous player can be just as clutch as a Heroic/Determined player.

- Line placement matters (i.e. 1st line players impact more than 2nd line and so on).

 

Personally, the questions I keep asking are "when does WI come into play?" and "how much does it even impact gameplay?".  I have seen nervous goalies play lights out in the playoffs and win it all.  I have also seen team's with Heroic WI get relegated.  But I am sure the opposite happens much more, so it is yet to be known exactly how much this rating matters overall.  As with most things in this game, it is chance based, so I'm sure it does have an impact.  Managers just need to figure out for themselves how much emphasis to put on getting the perfect team chemistry.

Enjoy.

 


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Its hard to even answer as good thread as this is. I have kept reading this post many times and wondering things around this topic. Thanks for Paul using so much time for this good thread, very good job!

Every season i have had WI on green, so I cant compare really from season to season this. One thing I could raise above others from my experiences is goalies big games. For me clearly better goalie on paper has been always worse option than the ”worse” one with with good big games and traits overall. Also spirit can have positive effect on this but that is only speculation.

Few other points I have given value, but again this is only my opinion to things and only thing that supports it is very good WI and ok team succes.

- Captains have very large impact to winner instinct so not only the leadership but the whole profile and spirit is valuable.

- Continue for latest. Is your captain more commander or true leader? How about other captains? Other players? Does they match? Difficult to make perfectly when building team but might be big factor.

-Older players are important and could effect more with good traits and also reputation

- Profile and big games of your star players

 

Some mumbling from my experiences. You should approach this as a reasearch as there are not many season yet exprienced this.

 

 

Edited by Ana (Natives)

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Shortly after I wrote the initial post I did some research between teams who had Heroic WI and teams that had bad or just OK WI.... and.... I couldn't find anything that would solve the mystery.  Over the last week I acquired 3 players.  There was nothing special trait-wise about these players, but it has increased my WI to Heroic and subsequently knocked my Teamwork down a few rungs, although still Harmony.  So.... I still have no idea.

What I do know is that the two teams facing off in the S3 GHL Finals do not have Heroic WI.  One is just OK and the other is Strong, but seems to border more on OK than Heroic.  I'm sure WI has an impact, but it seems like having talented players has the most impact on winning and losing.


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Still the one who comes with ok has perfect confidence and good teamwork which isnt disaster combo and is the defending champ. While other has perfect+harmony combined with strong WI which seems already pretty good.

You are definetly right that roster has more impact and probably it should in long run. So how much it boost remains still big mystery but I still believe it can boost medicore team to top results. 
 

Also I have had long win streak every season and the only season I had WI maxed out I came from tied 2nd place to 1st in conference with 21 game win streak in end of the season. It was in IHL and there were much more computers so its not comparable to GHL.

 

Havent seen much of worse than good WI s around so theres not much evidence for me that how that effects.

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On 1/18/2020 at 6:40 PM, Paul T said:

Over the last week I acquired 3 players.  There was nothing special trait-wise about these players, but it has increased my WI to Heroic

Less than 2 weeks later...

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1 hour ago, Peekaboo said:

what I noticed is that trading or signing players rises your winner instinct, then it gradually declines...

Always


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