rainsilent

Hello Gore and a late welcome to Biscuit. Just by giving a quick glance of your team the statistics point to a somewhat iffy team D as your teams biggest weakness. Your PK is good, your starting goalies stats are ok but your goals allowed on the whole is kind of bad. Outside of that your team looks to be a rather solid BHL team. If you have any questions feel free to message me in the league.

I need to very much get back to my version of #2. I will likely do what I know of player profiles this weekend due to this reminder.
 
#3 should be doable. If I remember correctly, for a manager not new to the team they have to wait until the offseason to do this, under the action button when in the team menu you can edit everything with the team under the edit franchise button which is the last option.
 
#4 would be great as almost every day in the offseason I get about 50 messages a day regarding players I am following getting contract offers.

BHL Clapper has now had two instances where a team was taken over for one day, traded away assets, and then abandoned. In both cases, assets were traded to the same target team.
 
I think that it would make sense to impose a 10-day trading freeze with any team that has just been taken over. You don't have to bother with an IP search to determine if this is the same player or not. Maybe there are two players colluding? Who knows. Putting a small time delay just makes it more annoying to try to take advantage of the system.
 
It won't get rid of this issue, but it may possibly cut down on it's occurrence.

As Matt said though I am not in any way "abusing" you, insulting you or however you want to put it. I think it is good that you (or anybody) started this topic. All I did was tell you what Anders did based upon what he told us and give you advice on how to deal with the adjustments good and bad. Until he fixes the bad (or other in game issues) we are more or less stuck with dealing with the bad and I don't doubt that he will adjust or fix bad things with the game as soon as he can. Be patient and more importantly be realistic. Anders is working on this game alone as a hobby. It takes him time to code adjustments to the game. Thus telling him to fix something or else you will leave is more along the lines of throwing a fit than reporting game issues with a level head.
 
Exxeo what is the 19 year old players ambition rating? Also by the looks of it no matter his ambition rating he looks to have the lowest player skill rating. That of course is hidden now and we cannot see it. Of that rating when we could see it I got to see an 18 year old with that rating (before it was hidden) go down in skill despite being ambitious in ambition rating. That reason is why I stay away from players that don't grow much as all like the plague.

As Matt said though I am not in any way "abusing" you, insulting you or however you want to put it. I think it is good that you (or anybody) started this topic. All I did was tell you what Anders did based upon what he told us and give you advice on how to deal with the adjustments good and bad. Until he fixes the bad (or other in game issues) we are more or less stuck with dealing with the bad and I don't doubt that he will adjust or fix bad things with the game as soon as he can. Be patient and more importantly be realistic. Anders is working on this game alone as a hobby. It takes him time to code adjustments to the game. Thus telling him to fix something or else you will leave is more along the lines of throwing a fit than reporting game issues with a level head.
 
Exxeo what is the 19 year old players ambition rating? Also by the looks of it no matter his ambition rating he looks to have the lowest player skill rating. That of course is hidden now and we cannot see it. Of that rating when we could see it I got to see an 18 year old with that rating (before it was hidden) go down in skill despite being ambitious in ambition rating. That reason is why I stay away from players that don't grow much as all like the plague.

Ok that is not that helpful because S15 is missing in the picture you provided. I then assume that he started as a 78 in junior, grew to an 82 when he was drafted and has digressed one overall in 2 years. Is that right?
 
Edit: One way or another I wouldn't have drafted him based upon what I am seeing of him as he looks like a rather mundane draft pick with a low skill rating, which of course is hidden, which means that he will degrade sooner anyways.
 
What I suspect is going on with many of these players losing ratings, without seeing anything beyond what you have shown Exxeo, is that the lower skill rating players are now dropping in ratings rather than slowly growing because they don't have the massive growth boost that every player had in the past.

As Matt said though I am not in any way "abusing" you, insulting you or however you want to put it. I think it is good that you (or anybody) started this topic. All I did was tell you what Anders did based upon what he told us and give you advice on how to deal with the adjustments good and bad. Until he fixes the bad (or other in game issues) we are more or less stuck with dealing with the bad and I don't doubt that he will adjust or fix bad things with the game as soon as he can. Be patient and more importantly be realistic. Anders is working on this game alone as a hobby. It takes him time to code adjustments to the game. Thus telling him to fix something or else you will leave is more along the lines of throwing a fit than reporting game issues with a level head.
 
Exxeo what is the 19 year old players ambition rating? Also by the looks of it no matter his ambition rating he looks to have the lowest player skill rating. That of course is hidden now and we cannot see it. Of that rating when we could see it I got to see an 18 year old with that rating (before it was hidden) go down in skill despite being ambitious in ambition rating. That reason is why I stay away from players that don't grow much as all like the plague.

First we can't actually see your team unless we are in the same game world thus linking it like that is a waste of time. If you want us to see your team screenshot it and post the screenshot.
 
Second I don't see the same issues that you are talking about in the game world I am in thus it makes me think one of two things. 1. Bizarre isolated incident. 2. Your over exaggerating the situation and/or not being forthcoming about horrific team management that you can't get yourself out of a la old players that you are stuck with.
 
If you are in the fastest league(s) there are somethings you need to realize.
 
1. There was a massive over build up of players 90+ overall leaving the world over saturated with extremely high overall players. Anders had to counter this immediately thus he made it very hard for players to keep "topped up" skills topped up. He also had to counter the excessive over growth of younger players that was creating an over saturation of extremely high overall players thus he slowed down the development pace of players. If one or both of these factors of player development needs to be adjusted in the future they most definitely will when they need to.
 
2. The fastest leagues were breaking the sim engine and while not near as big of an issue now they still give the sim engine a good working over. Also Anders is adding more sim detail into the sim engine. Both of these combined are going to cause the sim to go slower.
 
Finally it is hardly a wasted season if it is less than 20 games in. Learn some patience. Every team is going to go through tough stretches. Yes injuries can cause teams to miss the playoffs. The Tampa Bay Lightning is the most recent shining example of such. If you don't like that too bad. Sorry to be brutal about it but it is something we all have to deal with in due time. The better managers do a better job dealing with injuries via making sure that they have good players in reserve before they actually need such players. That doesn't mean that they are immune to injuries. It just lessens the impact that injuries have.
 
Finally in terms of trading with the CPU be reasonable with your offers and I don't doubt that they will actually go through.

Ok that is not that helpful because S15 is missing in the picture you provided. I then assume that he started as a 78 in junior, grew to an 82 when he was drafted and has digressed one overall in 2 years. Is that right?
 
Edit: One way or another I wouldn't have drafted him based upon what I am seeing of him as he looks like a rather mundane draft pick with a low skill rating, which of course is hidden, which means that he will degrade sooner anyways.
 
What I suspect is going on with many of these players losing ratings, without seeing anything beyond what you have shown Exxeo, is that the lower skill rating players are now dropping in ratings rather than slowly growing because they don't have the massive growth boost that every player had in the past.

I may be a bit late to the conversation but if I were to take a wild guess, Anders' vision wasn't to have GHL teams have an average rating of 90. It's common sense. I'm looking in fishbowl, the newest game world there is (in terms of what season it's on). There is no oversaturation of 90+ rated players. Every contending team in the GHL has maybe 3-7 90 rated players, and the rest are role players, which make or break a team's playoff hopes.
 
I'm on the same page as rainsilent. All worlds have the same treatment. They all get the same updates, so theoretically if biscuit or fishbowl was as fast as lumber, they would have the same issues. But no, lumber (and mitts) saw/see everything. If slow worlds were faster, it would be possible that some players rated 85's now would be 95's in 5 seasons. If you can't handle Anders testing player development and reduction, then I suggest dropping your faster world teams. From my experience, the ONLY time fishbowl was paused, was when lumber crashed a while ago and Anders had to pause all worlds. There are never ridiculous issues with slow worlds.
 
However, Lumber is crucial to the games development because it is the fast world where Anders (and lumber users) are able to see and report bugs, so that Anders can save the slower world's from the same fate.
 
Until Anders is able to create a perfect player progression/reduction system, this will happen. Players will unexpectedly lose ratings, players will develop extremely quickly, and everything in between.
 
Fangwall, I think that if Anders is able to create the perfect player development/regression system, where there are only 3 Crosby's in a world, instead of 3 per team, which I think he wants, I'll be one of the first to call for him to delete all the worlds and make new ones. Even though I've built some solid teams, it doesn't take that long to build a stellar team. All you need is shrewd trading skills, and good tactical knowledge of hockey in general.
 
Because honestly, I'd rather play a game where player overalls aren't so ridiculous, more along the lines where you have a few 90 rated forwards, a few 90 rated defenders, maybe a 90 rated goalie, and then as overalls go down, player quantity goes up. (i.e. more players will develop into 85 overalls compared to 88 overalls)
 
All I'm saying is, no matter how much integrity this game has, I'm willing to lose all my team's to help this games development, because I know it can be better. I've been around to see a few updates, and after affiliate teams are released, I don't even know where this game will go.

As Matt said though I am not in any way "abusing" you, insulting you or however you want to put it. I think it is good that you (or anybody) started this topic. All I did was tell you what Anders did based upon what he told us and give you advice on how to deal with the adjustments good and bad. Until he fixes the bad (or other in game issues) we are more or less stuck with dealing with the bad and I don't doubt that he will adjust or fix bad things with the game as soon as he can. Be patient and more importantly be realistic. Anders is working on this game alone as a hobby. It takes him time to code adjustments to the game. Thus telling him to fix something or else you will leave is more along the lines of throwing a fit than reporting game issues with a level head.
 
Exxeo what is the 19 year old players ambition rating? Also by the looks of it no matter his ambition rating he looks to have the lowest player skill rating. That of course is hidden now and we cannot see it. Of that rating when we could see it I got to see an 18 year old with that rating (before it was hidden) go down in skill despite being ambitious in ambition rating. That reason is why I stay away from players that don't grow much as all like the plague.

First we can't actually see your team unless we are in the same game world thus linking it like that is a waste of time. If you want us to see your team screenshot it and post the screenshot.
 
Second I don't see the same issues that you are talking about in the game world I am in thus it makes me think one of two things. 1. Bizarre isolated incident. 2. Your over exaggerating the situation and/or not being forthcoming about horrific team management that you can't get yourself out of a la old players that you are stuck with.
 
If you are in the fastest league(s) there are somethings you need to realize.
 
1. There was a massive over build up of players 90+ overall leaving the world over saturated with extremely high overall players. Anders had to counter this immediately thus he made it very hard for players to keep "topped up" skills topped up. He also had to counter the excessive over growth of younger players that was creating an over saturation of extremely high overall players thus he slowed down the development pace of players. If one or both of these factors of player development needs to be adjusted in the future they most definitely will when they need to.
 
2. The fastest leagues were breaking the sim engine and while not near as big of an issue now they still give the sim engine a good working over. Also Anders is adding more sim detail into the sim engine. Both of these combined are going to cause the sim to go slower.
 
Finally it is hardly a wasted season if it is less than 20 games in. Learn some patience. Every team is going to go through tough stretches. Yes injuries can cause teams to miss the playoffs. The Tampa Bay Lightning is the most recent shining example of such. If you don't like that too bad. Sorry to be brutal about it but it is something we all have to deal with in due time. The better managers do a better job dealing with injuries via making sure that they have good players in reserve before they actually need such players. That doesn't mean that they are immune to injuries. It just lessens the impact that injuries have.
 
Finally in terms of trading with the CPU be reasonable with your offers and I don't doubt that they will actually go through.

First we can't actually see your team unless we are in the same game world thus linking it like that is a waste of time. If you want us to see your team screenshot it and post the screenshot.
 
Second I don't see the same issues that you are talking about in the game world I am in thus it makes me think one of two things. 1. Bizarre isolated incident. 2. Your over exaggerating the situation and/or not being forthcoming about horrific team management that you can't get yourself out of a la old players that you are stuck with.
 
If you are in the fastest league(s) there are somethings you need to realize.
 
1. There was a massive over build up of players 90+ overall leaving the world over saturated with extremely high overall players. Anders had to counter this immediately thus he made it very hard for players to keep "topped up" skills topped up. He also had to counter the excessive over growth of younger players that was creating an over saturation of extremely high overall players thus he slowed down the development pace of players. If one or both of these factors of player development needs to be adjusted in the future they most definitely will when they need to.
 
2. The fastest leagues were breaking the sim engine and while not near as big of an issue now they still give the sim engine a good working over. Also Anders is adding more sim detail into the sim engine. Both of these combined are going to cause the sim to go slower.
 
Finally it is hardly a wasted season if it is less than 20 games in. Learn some patience. Every team is going to go through tough stretches. Yes injuries can cause teams to miss the playoffs. The Tampa Bay Lightning is the most recent shining example of such. If you don't like that too bad. Sorry to be brutal about it but it is something we all have to deal with in due time. The better managers do a better job dealing with injuries via making sure that they have good players in reserve before they actually need such players. That doesn't mean that they are immune to injuries. It just lessens the impact that injuries have.
 
Finally in terms of trading with the CPU be reasonable with your offers and I don't doubt that they will actually go through.

First we can't actually see your team unless we are in the same game world thus linking it like that is a waste of time. If you want us to see your team screenshot it and post the screenshot.
 
Second I don't see the same issues that you are talking about in the game world I am in thus it makes me think one of two things. 1. Bizarre isolated incident. 2. Your over exaggerating the situation and/or not being forthcoming about horrific team management that you can't get yourself out of a la old players that you are stuck with.
 
If you are in the fastest league(s) there are somethings you need to realize.
 
1. There was a massive over build up of players 90+ overall leaving the world over saturated with extremely high overall players. Anders had to counter this immediately thus he made it very hard for players to keep "topped up" skills topped up. He also had to counter the excessive over growth of younger players that was creating an over saturation of extremely high overall players thus he slowed down the development pace of players. If one or both of these factors of player development needs to be adjusted in the future they most definitely will when they need to.
 
2. The fastest leagues were breaking the sim engine and while not near as big of an issue now they still give the sim engine a good working over. Also Anders is adding more sim detail into the sim engine. Both of these combined are going to cause the sim to go slower.
 
Finally it is hardly a wasted season if it is less than 20 games in. Learn some patience. Every team is going to go through tough stretches. Yes injuries can cause teams to miss the playoffs. The Tampa Bay Lightning is the most recent shining example of such. If you don't like that too bad. Sorry to be brutal about it but it is something we all have to deal with in due time. The better managers do a better job dealing with injuries via making sure that they have good players in reserve before they actually need such players. That doesn't mean that they are immune to injuries. It just lessens the impact that injuries have.
 
Finally in terms of trading with the CPU be reasonable with your offers and I don't doubt that they will actually go through.

To combat some Monday boredom, I went ahead and calculated some average overall stats from GHL teams. Overall doesn't of course paint the full picture of a player's capabilities, and thus is only a vague approximation of what a team can do, but it's the only easily available number for comparison.
 
Team overalls here are comprised of the average of a team's best 18 skaters (12 centers/forwards, 6 defenders) and the starting goalie. OFF/DEF come from the same players, but are simply rounded up/down to the closest full number for clarity. SG is simply the assumed starting goalie (best overall). Calculations made on day 5 of S10.
 
Here are the numbers - teams are in order starting from best OVR.
 
1.  West Chicago Protons (GM: Richard Feynman - bouncer)
OFF: 89 DEF: 91 SG: 95 OVR: 89,5
 
2.  Deadwood Vandals (GM: Kim Vandaele - koekefix)
OFF: 87 DEF: 89 SG: 96 OVR: 88,4
 
3.  Harrisonville Sabercats (GM: Hurja Herra)
OFF: 88 DEF: 89 SG: 88 OVR: 87,6
 
4.  Rome Trojans (GM: Yann Rock)
OFF: 87 DEF: 88 SG: 91 OVR: 87,5
 
5.  Cedar Rapids Minutemen (GM: Richard Armour)
OFF: 86 DEF: 88 SG: 93 OVR: 87,1
 
6.  Eldred Elite (GM: Steven Bennett)
OFF: 86 DEF: 89 SG: 93 OVR: 87,0
 
7.  Canmore Grizzlies (GM: Matt Muffett - themattinthehat)
OFF: 86 DEF: 87 SG: 91 OVR: 86,9
 
8.  Moapa Valley Gothic Knights (GM: David Chaw - FTW)
OFF: 87 DEF: 87 SG: 90 OVR: 86,9
 
9.  Richford Rebels (GM: Jusu Manager)
OFF: 86 DEF: 89 SG: 89 OVR: 86,9
 
10. St.Thomas Stray Cats (GM: Erzac Ray - Erzac)
OFF: 87 DEF: 87 SG: 90 OVR: 86,8
 
11. Portland Oilers (GM: Xavier Zhou - xZhou)
OFF: 86 DEF: 88 SG: 91 OVR: 86,6
 
12. York Wolf Pack (GM: Jiri Heikkala)
OFF: 85 DEF: 87 SG: 93 OVR: 86,2
 
13. Violet Volcano (GM: Soupy Salez)
OFF: 85 DEF: 88 SG: 92 OVR: 86,1
 
14. Thetford Mines Pegasus (GM: Anthony Grauwels - Pingu)
OFF: 85 DEF: 86 SG: 89 OVR: 85,5
 
15. Oshawa Dynasty Heroes (GM: Kris Zenatik - Euph)
OFF: 85 DEF: 85 SG: 86 OVR: 84,7
 
16. Collegeville Rhinos (BOT)
OFF: 85 DEF: 82 SG: 90 OVR: 84,4

The first difference is the player you got in return can't win draws whereas Pearl was one of the best. That difference alone can actually be a big deal. Second Pearl was never going to put up much more in points from where you had him in the lineup and how you were utilizing him. That isn't your fault rather it is a trend I see in this game. The Vandals are using him in the exact same way you were by the way hence the lack of points with the Vandals too. And to be frank Pearl should never have been there to put up a lot of points. He just isn't that kind of offensive player. Think of Pearl as someone similar to Anisimov or Bonino. Solid, reliable two way players that can chip in offensively time to time. Finally I thought Pearl was actually playing well for you. Not great granted but I thought that he was still playing well for you. That said the player you got in return is more of an offensive player that can't win draws.

It is known repeat offenders. The most recent person I have a long list of bad trades they did in the past with their first GHL team in a message I sent to Anders. That first team, no matter how many lopsided trades the manager did, the team couldn't pull itself out of the bottom 4 a number of seasons back to back. Said manager then left that GHL team more than halfway through the season the team did demote just to take up a SHL team, make a number of said trades with that team to stack it and is the team he has now.
 
Also such managers should really be happy that I am not a moderator. I would be insta banning IPs or reversing the trades and demolishing said persons team at this point for such continuous repeat offenders if I could. There is a reason I did not want and do not want to become a mod and I am sure Anders doesn't want a vigilante mod. Such action is an insta ban to the mod as well but some people, and I will put this forum friendly, are just too stupid to resist exploiting the AI in a multiplayer game and I am not willing to do nothing if I feel like not enough is being done if I can do something.

The answer to #1 is look at the confidence of the team you are playing from the league above as well as the roster. I got to the GHL by beating a team significantly better than me 2 games to 1 in the playoffs. I am confidant that it all came down to the team confidence. The GHL team had very low team confidence whereas my team had very high team confidence. The confidence of a team is as relevant as the skill. This is a big reason as to why the early part of a season can be complete chaos in terms of results.
 
As for #2 it all depends upon the situation of your team. Personally I would just go for it like I did. My team was in no real condition to play in the GHL when I promoted via playoffs and I had to basically rebuild my entire team through FA that offseason. For you if you don't promote you will likely have to do some sort of rebuild as you lose those players. However if you make the GHL you will have to basically rebuild the top end of your team if you want to really be competitive. One way or another you are going to have to do a rebuild to some degree next season by the looks of it. So why not just go for it and try to do it, and try to make it, in the GHL?

None of the options. The only way to grow them is to basically have them take faceoffs. However if they are that bad it would very likely be better off for you to play them on the wing and find players that are capable of winning draws to play C.

The big thing that needs to be done now is CPU draft picks (and maybe even prospects) be locked so they can't be traded. This trade is the perfect example as to why. It IS exploiting the cpu for what was undoubtedly going to be a top 5 pick for a crap return. I also think trading with CPU teams should only be limited to leagues that only are at most half filled with human managers.
 
 
I see them all as the same. That same being bad. What you did is no worse than the example here. Also success is relative. You haven't prevented me in doing anything other than in being able to provide a competitive team against you. The one season where that wasn't the case was one weird anomaly that shouldn't count. The only reason you "got away" with what you did is because Anders was away when you made the trades and by the time he got back and saw my messages regarding your trades it was too late to revert them. The players you got are getting near the time they should start to decline. What was done by you is done and, almost in every literal sense, in the past. The only reason I snapped at you in that other thread is because you were flaunting your success while trying to trade a few players. I shouldn't have snapped at you as there are better ways of talking to you about the flaunting and avoiding it.
 
I want to move on from that. All of it. I want to move on to a league where manager skill and savvy determines the outcome more than cheap trades that heavily bolster a lineup. This trade in question only goes to preventing that from being possible. I want to do a regular season preview for each team in the GHL before the first game, maybe even do a halfway one too. I want to do playoff series match up previews. However I can't do them without the "this team is the best and here is everyone else" rhetoric if trades like these keep happening. It isn't interesting to do when there is one clear cut team that everyone is chasing because they happened to exploit the AI to acquire an edge over everyone else.
 
Koekefix if you want to right the wrong with this trade what should be done is draft either Justin Yu, Robin Strass or Miroslav Senko (they are the three best players available in my opinion and it makes it simple) with the pick you got and trade the player back for everything you traded for the pick, including the player the CPU picks with what should be your draft pick. If you wanted that draft pick you could have made a much more fair offer like your 1st round pick and either 2nd or the 75 ovr D man you traded for it as well.

As I said prior in this thread I want to do such stuff but I am not interested when trades like what is being discussed would only leave me going; "Here is the team that will finish 1st because they exploited the CPU to build a nearly unbeatable team. Here is everyone else."

Not strictly. Look at the numbers your goalie is putting up. If they have a 3 GAA and a 910 save percentage that, in this game, isn't too bad. It isn't good but it isn't necessarily on the goalie. More physical players get the highest game ratings in the current meta of the game. That means that players that play more physically are going to have inflated ratings and those that don't are going to have under inflated ratings. It isn't too unusual to see players that aren't particularly physical having nearly a point a game have average game ratings of 72 while physical 4th line players have average game ratings of 75+.
 
If you want to know who to blame regarding defensive woes you have to know how to break down the information the game is giving to you. The key thing to look at however, since we cannot watch the games play out, is via the player stats and not strictly the game ratings. It is very possible for your goalie to have 4 goals against, a 60 or worse game rating and have all goals be on the opposing teams power play. That isn't a goalie having a bad game for example. However your goalie being the only player without a blue or green game rating may mean that your goalie may not have had his best game. Keep this in mind. Your goalie gets a game rating hit for every goal against. His fault or not. You could have a few defenseman make a bad play that results in a few goals against and the defenders in question still can "make up" for their mistakes. A goalie can never "make up" for a goal that went in in the same way. Once a goalie lets in two goals it is very unusual to see them get a 75 or better rating and once 3 goals goes in seeing them with a game rating above 70 is rather rare as well as they would have to pretty much be the reason it didn't end up in a 7-0 thrashing.

This trade isn't borderline. Almost no matter who you draft you are going to be getting a player that can play now and will likely be a future star in the league and at worst a cornerstone that a team can build around. In return you gave a 2nd round draft pick (depending upon who is drafted this is the best thing given in return,) a defender that will at best be a 3rd pairing D in the GHL, one forward that, in the very long term, may develop enough to play in the GHL and one defender that never will, outside of extreme circumstances, play in the GHL. That is hardly a fair return for a cornerstone quality player.
 
It is worth analyzing every trade because these trades exploiting the CPU NEED to stop. The rest of the managers playing this game don't need a few managers getting careless and greedy to ruin the game through exploits.

Personally I love seeing a lot of injuries and I say this with the fact that at one point I had 5 starting forwards injured for longer than a week at one point in the current season. In the past too many teams only had one or maybe 2 scratch players on their team. Now you have to save cap space for extra players in case of injury.

It took 3 weeks to get enough people to report you to the game to suspend you. That manager is likely to get a suspension as well but enough players have to report them first. That will not happen overnight.
 
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This isn't a good solution. First all draft picks should be locked. Second what determines top x? Overall, which is mostly meaningless, or position in the lineup, which is just as meaningless?
 
The best way to prevent abusing the CPU teams while still allowing CPU trading is; 1st by getting more strict with the trade values of players (Too many players with great trade values,) 2nd restricting the number of players involved in the trade and the trade value difference of involved players must be equal (aka no 2 good trade value players for a great one. It must be great for great and no greater difference than a 2 to 1 or 3 to 2 with no more than 3 players available to be added per side,) 3rd improving the computer trade logic in regards to what is coming its way vs what it is giving up (This would prevent the CPU from accepting a trade where they give a highly skilled relatively young great trade value player for an old vet that isn't near as talented yet still has the same trade value.)