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Posted April 02, 2018 - 09:02 AM

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TL;DR - Shoot people a message before reporting cheating. The explanation may make sense and the consequences of a suspension may be dire for bubble teams.

 

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Fellow howitzer managers,

 

I wanted to take a moment to ask for better communication and use of the in-game mail service. 

 

A backstory:

 

I took over a GHL team that was clearly bound for the SHL. Once in the SHL I only made promotion back to the GHL on the last day of the season. There, I clawed and scraped by way into a promotion/relegation battle and was able to stick in the GHL for a second season - something that is not easy to do from what I'm told. The icing on the cake, a first overall pick. Coming into this season, I feel I have made my team stronger, younger, and more competitive. Patching holes with short-term contracts and injecting some promising youth into the roster. However, my team now finds itself (likely) in a massive hole to start the season since I've been suspended.

 

Commentary:

 

This isn't some rage-quit or boo-hoo message. I'm simply asking that instead of marking transfers as suspicious and banning me from my team for a week, why not write me a message and ask for an explanation first? When you are on the bubble of relegating you have to be active with your team to try to stay up. Every move I made I did so with this in mind and felt the offer had benefits for each party. When you make lots of moves, one is bound to look imbalanced be it in my or another team's favour.

 

I'm not sure what exactly caused people to be concerned with my transaction habits. I've given up a good player to get nothing in return in the interest of offloading salary. I've also absorbed salary on a good player who would've become a free agent after a team relegates. These trades often involve a dialogue between the two managers so each has an understanding of the wants/needs of each - something an outsider may not grasp. If anyone wants to point out where I "went wrong" I'd be happy to learn what is not considered socially acceptable transactions. But keep in mind, everyone has a different value system when it comes to trading and giving up ABC for XYZ may seem like the best course of action for one person but a gross miscalculation for another.

 

I'd hope in the future there'll be a bit more communication between managers. I've have a continued dialogue with several GHL/SHL managers and enjoy the negotiation and "wheeling and dealing". It doesn't take much to shoot someone a message if something looks fishy, and ask for an explanation. Problem is, it takes even less effort to just click a button and have someone suspended for a week. It is a struggle to stay in the GHL as a newly promoted team, I know it all too well as every point is huge. I hope for better communication and a little forethought before well-established teams click a button and, in all reality, make the difference between next season in the SHL/GHL for a club like mine.

 

Have a good long weekend,

-Goderich Goblins Management

 

 



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Posted April 02, 2018 - 09:46 AM

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I'm not sure what exactly caused people to be concerned with my transaction habits. I've given up a good player to get nothing in return in the interest of offloading salary.

 

If anyone wants to point out where I "went wrong" I'd be happy to learn what is not considered socially acceptable transactions.

 

I'll say this upfront - I agree with your message and I would personally never hit the cheat button on anyone (unless it was one of those managers who was blatantly trying to cheat... taking over a team, dropping players, picking them up on a different team, etc.).

 

Here's where it gets complicated.  When a team gives up a good player for nearly nothing in return, other managers can feel cheated.  I understand the salary dump, but how do you decide which team to give the player to so that it doesn't create an unfair advantage?  I've been on both sides of the "salary dump" type trades, so I understand why it happens.  Just trying to offer some perspective on why other managers would feel cheated.  100% fair would be offering the player to every team for best offer or even posting in the "trade block" thread to see who responds. 



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Posted April 02, 2018 - 10:04 AM

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I'll say this upfront - I agree with your message and I would personally never hit the cheat button on anyone (unless it was one of those managers who was blatantly trying to cheat... taking over a team, dropping players, picking them up on a different team, etc.).

 

Here's where it gets complicated.  When a team gives up a good player for nearly nothing in return, other managers can feel cheated.  I understand the salary dump, but how do you decide which team to give the player to so that it doesn't create an unfair advantage?  I've been on both sides of the "salary dump" type trades, so I understand why it happens.  Just trying to offer some perspective on why other managers would feel cheated.  100% fair would be offering the player to every team for best offer or even posting in the "trade block" thread to see who responds. 

 

Paul,

 

Thanks for taking the time to reply and thanks for your input. I agree, it can be frustrating seeing a trade happen and thinking "hey, I could have gotten that player and offered more". But if you don't offer, you won't get anything (insert cliche Gretzky quote here). I think that mentality is at the core of what makes trading difficult - different valuations and missing out.

 

The repercussions of a suspension are quite sharp for a team like mine. I mean, look at how my team is doing so far this year (I can't check obviously) but I'm guessing hugging the bottom with an improper lineup. Pretty big hole to climb out of with >10% of the season gone.

 

Anyways, I'm glad you understand my point and appreciate your input. I definitely agree there. But I don't see how "missing out" can be avoided - you can't possibly offer a trade to most teams in the league, especially with offloading salary since most teams are abutted up against the cap. I suppose that's where a trade block comes in handy but whenever I've used that in the past I have to wait a long time to get an offer - if I ever get one. It is easier finding a team with cap space and negotiating directly.

 

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-GG Management



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Posted April 02, 2018 - 10:32 AM

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I agree with you.  Especially if you aren't just trading with the same team over and over again, it should not be considered cheating.  Although I am not in Howitzer so I'm not fully aware of what shenanigans you guys have going on over there ;)

 

I'm not saying that every manager should have to waste their time doing this, but here is a good example.  Last season was my 1st in SHL after just having promoted from BHL.  I had 9-10 players who would have made good 1st/2nd line players in BHL and wanted to trade them down for picks.  Instead of just attempting the trade to see who bit, I sent a personal message to every single BHL manager listing every player that was available and what I was asking or stating I'd accept best offer (simple copy and paste).  I'm sure it was annoying for some, but I did it for this exact reason that if I eventually made a trade, I didn't want other BHL managers feeling cheated - and didn't feel like being accused of cheating.  I ended up trading with 2 different teams.  Those two teams got better as a result (I think), but the offer was there for everyone.



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Posted April 02, 2018 - 11:34 AM

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I agree with you.  Especially if you aren't just trading with the same team over and over again, it should not be considered cheating.  Although I am not in Howitzer so I'm not fully aware of what shenanigans you guys have going on over there ;)

 

I'm not saying that every manager should have to waste their time doing this, but here is a good example.  Last season was my 1st in SHL after just having promoted from BHL.  I had 9-10 players who would have made good 1st/2nd line players in BHL and wanted to trade them down for picks.  Instead of just attempting the trade to see who bit, I sent a personal message to every single BHL manager listing every player that was available and what I was asking or stating I'd accept best offer (simple copy and paste).  I'm sure it was annoying for some, but I did it for this exact reason that if I eventually made a trade, I didn't want other BHL managers feeling cheated - and didn't feel like being accused of cheating.  I ended up trading with 2 different teams.  Those two teams got better as a result (I think), but the offer was there for everyone.

 

Tedious, but I see why you did it. I normally just look at who has cap space and would most likely be interested and send similar offers there. Thanks for your feedback and good luck making the step from SHL to GHL!



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Posted April 02, 2018 - 03:01 PM

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The automatic ban thing needs some revamping. At the very least, there should be human review involved.



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Posted April 14, 2018 - 05:48 AM

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Not so long ago , i saw 2 teams making trades. One of them getting the best players and the other team getting weak players. This was not the first time the same exact teams do trades like this. Sometimes we can ask ourself if thats the same person using 2 different accounts and making trades with himself using a vpn or ip changer software and different emails. It is very easy to do. There can be cheating in the game and i think it is normal that some unfair trades will be reported. Dont ask us to send you a message for you to tell us whatever bullshit for explaining why u made an unfair trade and got elite players in return for grandpa skater or something. The game admin here get reports and it is his decision to ban someone if many report it and the admin can check and decide what he do about it. If you do suspicious trades , dont try blame the guys who report you. You are responsible for it and the only one to blame.

 

 



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Posted April 14, 2018 - 11:50 AM

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Thanks.

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Posted April 15, 2018 - 01:58 PM

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I've been accused of cheating before. It sucks! A lot of new managers read threads about the old days... when the computer would cough up first round picks just because you were nice enough to send an offer. So, they think it's cheating when they see one go through. They think the computer accepted the first offer... without giving you credit for the effort it takes to work out a computer trade these days.
Managers don't always realize that once you get to GHL, there is no league above you to trade big contracts to. So, you have to clear salary in bits and pieces. They see a trade go through and get upset because one of their competitors got a good deal... even though you made the same offer to every team in the lower league who had enough cap space to take on the players you're shopping.
I hear the "you didn't give up a first round pick, so the trade wouldn't have happened in real life," argument a lot. Do the math. Those GHL second rounders would be first round picks in the NHL.
Let's try to remember that not liking something doesn't make it cheating. If you're not going to give someone the benefit of the doubt, at least send a message or two to other veteran GHL/SHL managers and ask what they think. They can probably tell you exactly what's happening... and you might make new friends along the way.

Cheers,
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Posted April 16, 2018 - 02:22 AM

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If you do suspicious trades , dont try blame the guys who report you. You are responsible for it and the only one to blame.

Something what looks suspicious to you looks clear for other. At least with current GHL salary cap there is very much space to hoard good SHL players and trade those to SHL for picks and lower league contracts (free release) and hope that SHL picks converts to GHL picks. Also freshly promoted teams needs to make a lot of job to get good enought team to hold their position on GHL.

 

So, please communicate to each other before reporting.



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Posted April 25, 2018 - 02:41 PM

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So, I decided to brave it and complete a trade - shame the experience earlier has made me trigger shy. Anyways, made a deal with a team destined for the SHL. Received a single player on a one-way contract that would be lost for nothing in exchange for a myriad of defensive assets. Owner negotiated an additional player to be added in from my first offer - all are on two-way deals (and those expiring will surely accept another two-way deal before the season is up) and will benefit him next season.

 

Sidebar: Does anyone know when the "I'm happy with my contract" will be removed and we can negotiate deals with players on expiring contracts?



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Posted April 25, 2018 - 05:09 PM

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If it does go away, it will be once playoffs start and you receive the “reminder: expiring contracts” message. Sometimes for bubble teams (though I don’t consider you one any more so this shouldn’t be a problem) they will refuse to negotiate at all.

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Posted April 25, 2018 - 05:48 PM

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If it does go away, it will be once playoffs start and you receive the “reminder: expiring contracts” message. Sometimes for bubble teams (though I don’t consider you one any more so this shouldn’t be a problem) they will refuse to negotiate at all.

 

Thanks. I've wanted to get some players locked down and have been checking every couple of days.

 

In your opinion, I want to re-negotiate the pending contract of the player I just acquired. If I do this do I risk the wait period dragging on and him potentially being poached elsewhere? Would I even get that much of a discount compared to a team currently 15th?

 

Also, thanks for the compliment re: not a bubble team anymore. I'm really happy with how my tactical settings (minus PK - I'm at a loss there) have helped me climb out of the cellar after the first 10 games on suspended autopilot.



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Posted April 25, 2018 - 09:45 PM

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Currently I can’t see his extension, so I can’t tell you if it is a good deal or not. Considering your cap space, if it is anywhere under 3.5mill I wouldn’t risk it. If it is above 3.8 I would consider cancelling and re negotiating his extension, but it’s your team and I can’t tell you what to do. That’s just my opinion.

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Posted April 26, 2018 - 07:32 AM

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It is for 4.4M. Is salary demand tied to team reputation? If so, I'll cancel and sign to a one-year deal since my reputation should rise significantly after this season. Thanks for your reply, very helpful!

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Posted April 26, 2018 - 08:15 AM

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I’m not too experienced in this area, but in my limited knowledge, yes it does have to do with team rep. Also just a side note, team rep fluctuates throughout the season so it might be just as high now as it will be next season.

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Posted April 26, 2018 - 11:59 AM

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I’m not too experienced in this area, but in my limited knowledge, yes it does have to do with team rep. Also just a side note, team rep fluctuates throughout the season so it might be just as high now as it will be next season.

 

Cool, thanks! That's helpful! 



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Posted April 27, 2018 - 02:18 AM

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On a side note, but still relevant to GHL communication. Voting is closed at the end of the weekend, takes all of two minutes to get your votes in. 



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Posted April 27, 2018 - 04:06 AM

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On a side note, but still relevant to GHL communication. Voting is closed at the end of the weekend, takes all of two minutes to get your votes in. 

side note of an side note but probably some Google Forms or SurveyMonkey could be used next time






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