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Posted March 12, 2018 - 01:03 PM

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Hi!

 

So few players from other teams and my Aurelius who is 94 ovr request imo way too low salaries. I know we are in sort of a transition phase, this isn't real or EA NHL etc., but Aurelius is 94!!ovr (Hell, even EA put McDavid and Crosby as 93 ovr) and he wants 4,4m. I could have FIFTEEN of them in my roster. That's way too much imo. Ofc, like probably everyone here, I like to see my young guns develop, hate to see them go, because of cap problems etc., but I think I should not be able to have even ten of those in my roster. It also decreases the need to shed salary, which should imo. be a part of this kind of game.

 

Then again it's what's been allowing me to pay a lot to FA's I'd want to get them so not sure should I be complaining about it, lol :D

 

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Posted March 12, 2018 - 03:51 PM

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Indeed it's way too easy to hold on to star players (or any players for that matter). Sometimes they even accept extensions for less money than what they previously got, even if their skill level has remained the same or improved, and they are still in their prime.

 

Individual stats (and maybe team position in the standings/playoffs) should also play a role when it comes to how much a player asks for. If a player is coming off a great season he should ask for more. Significantly more if he has great stats season after season.



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Posted March 21, 2018 - 06:18 AM

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Would just like to bump this thread a little as I see this as a huge issue and it's not being talked about much.

 

Many players across the board in GHL take significant pay cuts in their extensions regardless of age, skill or production. It's more of a rule than an exception.

A player should never agree to a pay cut unless his production or skills are clearly declining/not worth his current contract.

 

Currently if you get your hands on a player (in GHL), you will never have to let him go unless you want to (barring relegation/retirement), which really takes away from the managing experience. Having realistic extension demands from players would at least alleviate the problem by making cap space a real issue.



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Posted March 23, 2018 - 06:10 AM

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I'll keep hammering at this a little more.

 

Superstar contracts should take at least 10% of cap space making those players a real commitment cap-wise. Currently in Biscuit GHL there are exactly 2(!) players that take over 10% of cap space. (With many star players taking much closer to 5%)

A ratio of 0,125 players/team.

 

Compare this to the NHL:

In NHL there are currently 30 players that take up 10% or more of a team's cap.

A ratio of 0,968 players/team. Almost eight times higher ratio than in Biscuit GHL currently.

 

Not saying this game should try to model the NHL, but clearly a change is needed to make the cap space an actual factor in decision-making.



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Posted March 23, 2018 - 01:12 PM

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I completely agree on this.

However if these contract changes happen there need to be a few extra additions as well:

- Increase cap space. Like you said if we want to make it more real, like NHL for example, the cap space needs a boost in every league. If the contract adjustments kick in then the current cap space is far too less. I'm not saying we would need to sign all the players because that would be the same problem, but if contracts are adjusted and you can only keep 7-8 players due to the cap space then all the building is for nothing.

- AI improvements in player accepting contracts. Right now every player accepts his new contract. At least in GHL. It's too easy to sign a player, even when you're a top team or a bottom team in GHL.

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Posted March 23, 2018 - 01:29 PM

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- Increase cap space. Like you said if we want to make it more real, like NHL for example, the cap space needs a boost in every league. If the contract adjustments kick in then the current cap space is far too less. I'm not saying we would need to sign all the players because that would be the same problem, but if contracts are adjusted and you can only keep 7-8 players due to the cap space then all the building is for nothing.

- AI improvements in player accepting contracts. Right now every player accepts his new contract. At least in GHL. It's too easy to sign a player, even when you're a top team or a bottom team in GHL.

Just something that came to mind, the easiest way to probably resolve this would likely be a gradual decrease of current salary cap over a few seasons until it's at a "realistic" level in comparison to the current contracts (probably somewhere between 40-50 million). A gradual decrease would allow teams to make necessary moves and prepare in advance.



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Posted May 28, 2018 - 08:08 AM

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Playoffs are here and contract extensions are happening again, so I'll keep at this.

 

Today in Biscuit GHL 9 players signed an extension - 7 of them took a pay cut.

A highlight from that bunch: 22yo, 96ovr d-man, on an already cheap contract, is fine with an extension that lowers his salary by ~16%. Why would a young superstar coming off a good season ever agree to something like that?



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Posted May 28, 2018 - 10:31 AM

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Agreed, I just resigned my top defenseman for the third straight year to a one year contract for less money than the previous contract and he is probably his prime.

Also, my 93ovr goalie is willing to take a 50% cut to stay on my team after I benched him half way through the season for having his worst season out of five. His ovr hasn't changed and he is 37, but he is asking for less than my 27 year old AAHL starter.....

The cap is too damn high! Haha, but I do think lowering it would create a positive cascading effect where all these FULL lineups of 90+ovr teams would have to let players go, and more of the mid 80 players would need to be used at the GHL or made available for SHL.

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Posted May 28, 2018 - 11:29 AM

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Hi!

 

A topic we hadn't notice for some reason.

 

We know contracts need to be looked at again! Thanks for being honest and report this things!

 

Its now on to do list!

 

//Tobias



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Posted May 28, 2018 - 07:16 PM

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Playoffs are here and contract extensions are happening again, so I'll keep at this.

 

Today in Biscuit GHL 9 players signed an extension - 7 of them took a pay cut.

A highlight from that bunch: 22yo, 96ovr d-man, on an already cheap contract, is fine with an extension that lowers his salary by ~16%. Why would a young superstar coming off a good season ever agree to something like that?

 

Seriously??  Because some of my players are trying to bend me over the bench!  One player that I picked up in FA last season is asking me for DOUBLE.  His overall rating went +1 this season, but it was only like 2 of his specific ratings went up, not all of them.  I suppose it's different from GHL to SHL.


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Posted May 28, 2018 - 11:26 PM

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Seriously??  Because some of my players are trying to bend me over the bench!  One player that I picked up in FA last season is asking me for DOUBLE.  His overall rating went +1 this season, but it was only like 2 of his specific ratings went up, not all of them.  I suppose it's different from GHL to SHL.

 

Some players are just greedy, which is good!  But now, most seem too cheap for their own good.  The whole point of contract negotiations is for a player reaching their peak, either in skill or ego, is they SHOULD ask for more.  I'm not sure how the engine works or if it is just based on individual player's requests.  It'd be cool if I offered a 90ovr player $3M a year that suddenly all the other 90ovr players start thinking, hmmm, maybe I should be getting that too, etc.  That is probably more difficult than coding individual players and likely why we have the current situation, but now it is too easy to keep an All-Star level team in GHL and then back stock players in the AAHL that should be GHL starters or too expensive and in the SHL as a Star.  I'd be all for a 10-20% cap reduction in the GHL.  



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Posted May 29, 2018 - 05:37 AM

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Some players are just greedy, which is good!  But now, most seem too cheap for their own good.  The whole point of contract negotiations is for a player reaching their peak, either in skill or ego, is they SHOULD ask for more.  I'm not sure how the engine works or if it is just based on individual player's requests.  It'd be cool if I offered a 90ovr player $3M a year that suddenly all the other 90ovr players start thinking, hmmm, maybe I should be getting that too, etc.  That is probably more difficult than coding individual players and likely why we have the current situation, but now it is too easy to keep an All-Star level team in GHL and then back stock players in the AAHL that should be GHL starters or too expensive and in the SHL as a Star.  I'd be all for a 10-20% cap reduction in the GHL.  

That would be cool. I'd guess every GHL manager would hate me then tho xD

 

but yeah it could be hard to implement, idk. I guess easier solution would just make it follow somesort of x^y function with some variables to take skill, league etc. into account.



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Posted May 29, 2018 - 07:53 AM

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Some players are just greedy, which is good!  But now, most seem too cheap for their own good.  The whole point of contract negotiations is for a player reaching their peak, either in skill or ego, is they SHOULD ask for more.  I'm not sure how the engine works or if it is just based on individual player's requests.  It'd be cool if I offered a 90ovr player $3M a year that suddenly all the other 90ovr players start thinking, hmmm, maybe I should be getting that too, etc.  That is probably more difficult than coding individual players and likely why we have the current situation, but now it is too easy to keep an All-Star level team in GHL and then back stock players in the AAHL that should be GHL starters or too expensive and in the SHL as a Star.  I'd be all for a 10-20% cap reduction in the GHL.  

 

I like this route and actually proposed it way back in the beta days, but for some reason the common consensus was against it. I feel like it would add another level of realism in the game if players acted like they do in the real life (he's getting that much so should I -attitude).



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Posted May 29, 2018 - 08:43 AM

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Some players are just greedy, which is good!  But now, most seem too cheap for their own good.  The whole point of contract negotiations is for a player reaching their peak, either in skill or ego, is they SHOULD ask for more.  I'm not sure how the engine works or if it is just based on individual player's requests.  It'd be cool if I offered a 90ovr player $3M a year that suddenly all the other 90ovr players start thinking, hmmm, maybe I should be getting that too, etc.  That is probably more difficult than coding individual players and likely why we have the current situation, but now it is too easy to keep an All-Star level team in GHL and then back stock players in the AAHL that should be GHL starters or too expensive and in the SHL as a Star.  I'd be all for a 10-20% cap reduction in the GHL.  

 

I totally agree with everything you said.  Just would be great if it was consistent across leagues.  I think a GHL cap reduction would help... and also something I've been harping on for a few months is when players are traded down from GHL to SHL, the salary shouldn't be 25%.  It should be at least 50% (I suggested the salary should stay the same, but other managers tore me up :)).  Otherwise we are going to run into a scenario where it won't make sense for SHL teams to try and re-sign their own players or in free agency because the asking price will be too much and they will just attempt to build their team via trades with GHL.


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