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Poll: Three questions (28 member(s) have cast votes)

What is the most important position on a team?

  1. Center (7 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  2. Wing (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Defense (8 votes [28.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  4. Goaltender (13 votes [46.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 46.43%

Offense or defense first?

  1. Offense (8 votes [28.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  2. Defense (20 votes [71.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 71.43%

Is your team currently built the way you would like it to be?

  1. Yes (4 votes [14.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  2. Almost (13 votes [46.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 46.43%

  3. Getting there (8 votes [28.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  4. No (3 votes [10.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.71%

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#1

Posted February 03, 2018 - 05:21 AM

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A thread for discussing how everyone builds their teams. What do you consider important and why?

 

For me, everything starts from the center. Having not one, but two quality centers that can play a solid two-way game. Basically players that can play in any situation.

Then comes defense. At least two, but optimally 3-4 defenders that can play big minutes in any zone. Followed closely by a capable goaltender. No need to be superstar material, but should be better than average.

And finally wingers, which I consider be the least important, with the caveat that there needs to be at least one really capable goalscorer on the team, and someone to pass him the puck.



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Posted February 03, 2018 - 01:54 PM

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Awesome idea for manager engagement Erzac. 

I agree with you completely about centers. A line is incomplete without a competent center and you need elite centers to drive a successful team. I am adamant about my centers being well rounded players, a soley offensive center I feel has too much trouble on the defensive side of the puck and as a result will have trouble being an engine moving the puck out of the d-zone. Same for a shutdown center, the wingers will be pulled down by the centermans inability to create offense. I'm hoping soon we will be able to see in the play by play who the five skaters on the ice are for every event, it will allow managers to track individual possession metrics, but for the time being I mainly rely on performance score for how a player performs off the puck. 

In building a team I like to have an established 1st line and top defensive pair, then a middle 6 forwards that a relatively interchangeable and a completed top 4 D-core. For the fourth line and bottom defensive pair the biggest thing is they can't be a detriment to the team. With cap constraints that can be tough which makes having an influx of young players that are cheap from within the teams system essential. 

I see a lot of managers contempt with an above average goalie. I think that's generally fair, I'm very fortunate to have one of the top goalies in Howitzer at 23 years old, but he his contract is up for an extension next season and I'm anxious about whether he will go for a more team friendly salary. 

For what it's worth I don't believe that wingers are necessarily the least important position, but I do think they have less value as there are far more high end wingers than there are centers and defenseman which create a diminished demand for them. Would I take a center over an equivalent winger yes, but I wouldn't take a worse center over a better winger. The demand makes me lean towards a center but I don't value a forward less because he is a winger, I'd still prefer the better player. 

I'm very interested in seeing the opinion of others in regards to building their team. 



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Posted February 04, 2018 - 04:46 AM

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First of all what a great thread!

 

I like to build my team around the idea of having every single player two spots in the lineup. So for example I don't want to put my first line guys on both PP and PK, I feel like that may hinder their game just a bit due to fatigue kicking in. With that being said I like my team being good on the offense since that's what seems to be working for me. I've tried to build more defensive teams in the past but they haven't really worked out too well. Guess I just haven't found the right guys. I don't really think that one position is clearly superior to others, but when building a team I like to have at least 2 good centers and 4 really good defenders. Goalies of course play a major role in your success so I like to keep them stacked as well.

 

I like to have my first line offensive minded, usually a good center with great ratings in my offense tactic. Then I try to pair him with equally good (tactics wise) winger (one of them being PLY the other SNI) and then try and have a more defensive minded player who can also chip in offensively as well (ply,pwf or 2w). Then I build the rest of my lines looking at what type of player I have. Currently I have a lot of snipers and playmakers so my team is really all-out offense, but usually I like to build at least one defensive forward line as well. That's the third line most of the time so the guys can play PK when needed and not get tired. Defensive wise I try to keep it simple. A lot of good SAH defenders who can shoot or pass the puck as well. That way they get some points as well and don't get anxious. And for goalies, well I try to have the best duo I can. I don't like playing just 1 goalie for most of the games and then have a shitty backup who can't really stand his ground. For the last few seasons I have been playing my goalies approx. 50-50 with slight favouring towards which one is the "hot" goalie at the moment.

 

Not sure how much of a ramble that was, hope you can make something out of it! Feel free to comment and ask!



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Posted February 04, 2018 - 04:54 PM

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First of all what a great thread!

 

I like to build my team around the idea of having every single player two spots in the lineup. So for example I don't want to put my first line guys on both PP and PK, I feel like that may hinder their game just a bit due to fatigue kicking in.

 

I do the same with my teams, always have with other hockey sims too.


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Posted February 05, 2018 - 09:35 AM

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I build net out. First a goalie then D then C then W. Basically the Brodeur led Devils of yesteryear. With the exception of having a more modern aggressive forecheck and offense.

 

The only thing I hated about the Devils was the trap game they played. Really odd me saying that since I love defensive games and I don't like it due to the slow pace either. Its because of how the Devils made it work. The era where the Devils were the best was the clutch and grab and the Devil's trap was designed to fully exploit that and that is the only thing I hated about it. The Devil's weren't out talent-ing the skilled teams to win. They were simply holding onto the players and had someone right there in close proximity to take the puck as the first player held up the puck carrier typically in a manner that would result in a penalty today.



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Posted February 05, 2018 - 11:10 AM

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Everyone has their own way of building their teams.

 

I usually go after 4 defensemen with the first pair being two way players, and 2nd pair being offensive.

Then I go for a competent goalie with good traits.

Next is the wingers. 1st line are good two way players with the 2nd line having good offensive skills

Now I go for centers with the 1st being good defensively and the 2nd good offensively.

Then I get a purely stay at home defensemen for the 3rd pair.

2 good offensive and 1 defensive player for the 3rd line and the 4th line just purely defensive.

 

It isn't perfect but it has done me pretty good so far.



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Posted February 05, 2018 - 12:38 PM

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Really cool subject!

 

I'd say for me the most important thing to do when i build a team, is to get players that will work with my tactics. Having some kind of balance in my profiles and getting good captains is also a must. And like what was said before, i also try and balance my lineup so that every players plays on 2 different unit, normal line+ pp/pk.

 

I use 3 good forward line as much as possible, playing attack and two-way, the fourth one being used for specialist on PP and PK. I also try and balance the D, using the 3rd pairing much like the 4th line.

 

I think a good goalie is easier to obtain, since all he has to do is be a winner, he doesn't have to fit my playing style, (Although puck-handling seems to somehow change out things!) I also use two good goalies, usually favoring the hot hand of the moment.


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Posted February 06, 2018 - 12:29 PM

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Has anyone ever tried defense heavy teams and succeed?

I have seen offensive heavy teams and they fail with really bad +/- ratings, I imagine it would be the same either way.



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Posted February 06, 2018 - 07:09 PM

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Has anyone ever tried defense heavy teams and succeed?

I have seen offensive heavy teams and they fail with really bad +/- ratings, I imagine it would be the same either way.

 

I do.

 

Season 12 Cedar Rapids Minutemen Richard Armour GHL 2nd 31-4-5-20

Season 11 Cedar Rapids Minutemen Richard Armour GHL 3rd 30-3-5-22

Season 10 Cedar Rapids Minutemen Richard Armour GHL 3rd 31-3-7-19

Season 9 Cedar Rapids Minutemen Richard Armour GHL 4th 32-4-3-21

Season 8 Cedar Rapids Minutemen Richard Armour GHL 5th 34-3-1-22 

Season 7 Cedar Rapids Minutemen Richard Armour GHL 4th 37-1-4-18 

Season 6 Cedar Rapids Minutemen Richard Armour GHL 1st 42-4-4-10 

Season 5 Cedar Rapids Minutemen Richard Armour GHL 4th 35-4-4-17

Season 4 Cedar Rapids Minutemen Richard Armour GHL 2nd 38-5-3-14

Season 3 Cedar Rapids Minutemen Richard Armour GHL 2nd 37-1-5-17

Season 2 Cedar Rapids Minutemen Richard Armour SHL 5th 32-6-4-18

Season 1 Cedar Rapids Minutemen Richard Armour SHL 4th 32-4-2-22

 

We are in season 13 and due to a slow start (relatively, first handful of games were losses) and me leaving my backup goalie in for a week my team is 10th with a 10-1-1-14 record. The night I gave my backup goalie the start and incidentally left them in for a week my team had climbed up to 5th in the standings. Its still relatively early so I am not too concerned. As for season stats here you go:

 

Season 13 GHL 10th 27 11-1-1-14 36 63 65 1-1 13,8% 84,0% 8-1-0-4

Season 12 GHL 2nd 60 31-4-5-20 106 174 140 2-5 21,7% 78,8% 21-2-1-6

Season 11 GHL 3rd 60 30-3-5-22 101 159 132 1-5 29,5% 84,8% 17-2-2-9

Season 10 GHL 3rd 60 31-3-7-19 106 156 136 3-4 26,6% 80,9% 21-2-2-5

Season 9 GHL 4th 60 32-4-3-21 107 188 154 2-3 15,1% 86,8% 20-2-2-6

Season 8 GHL 5th 60 34-3-1-22 109 211 177 2-1 25,3% 81,4% 18-2-0-10

Season 7 GHL 4th 60 37-1-4-18 117 203 143 0-3 19,8% 85,7% 21-1-2-6

Season 6 GHL 1st 60 42-4-4-10 138 211 135 3-1 21,4% 87,4% 25-2-0-3

Season 5 GHL 4th 60 35-4-4-17 117 198 160 1-4 14,5% 84,2% 21-1-2-6

Season 4 GHL 2nd 60 38-5-3-14 127 213 151 1-3 21,7% 84,2% 20-3-1-6

Season 3 GHL 2nd 60 37-1-5-17 118 209 140 0-4 25,1% 86,6% 21-0-2-7

Season 2 SHL 5th 60 32-6-4-18 112 204 154 2-4 19,5% 82,2% 17-4-2-7

Season 1 SHL 4th 60 32-4-2-22 106 188 170 1-1 20,6% 81,1% 18-1-2-9

 

Notice how I typically average somewhere in the area of 2.5 to 3 goals a game per season with under 2.5 goals allowed per game. In close games my team is very good indeed until we get to a shootout. My team is dreadfully bad in shootouts but really good in OT. My team is 19-39 in shootouts but 25-10 in OT. Overall my career record thus far is 511-49-56-322. All with defense focused teams. Any tactic will work so long as you know what your doing. Some are just more difficult to do well with.

 

Edit: I apologize to those that will see this post and just see a mob of numbers.






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