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Edmonton reminds me of post-Lebron Cleveland when they kept getting the top pick and doing nothing in terms of actually improving.

 

Also, that's a solid nickname lol.


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Flyers coming up strong, Avs as well. Going to be very exciting the next days/weeks. I'm hoping my Pens will make the PO. If Wings miss the PO it would be the end of an era.


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Wow. Yeah, it'd be pretty devastating for them if they didn't make it.

 

Apparently the NHL is worried about Canadians not watching the playoffs since its prob gonna be all-American teams....what do u guys think?

 

I'm Canadian(Leafs fan)...I'll prob still watch most of the games...especially after my finals exams are done for Uni on the 21st.


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The St. Louis Blues I think has the longest streak of a new team making the playoffs in successive years at I think 25 or so. Just checked and yes 25 years and it ended in the 04 season. The Blues have missed the playoffs only 5 times in their history. For the record as of current the Canadians have only missed the playoffs 15 times in their 106 year history. The two most successful teams in North American sports history when looked at making the playoffs in terms of percentage to seasons played are the Canadians and the Blues. The two longest streaks to of making the sports playoffs also belong to NHL teams. The Bruins at 29 and the Blackhawks at 28. Detroit's 24 season streak would be 4th, or at least tied for 4th at 24. The Canadians then have the tie with Detroit at 24 and have another at 21. They would combine for 46 if they hadn't missed the playoffs in the 69-70 season. The reason the Canadiens missed the 69-70 playoffs, and thus the 69-70 playoffs being the only NHL playoffs played thus far without any Canadian teams, is a very interesting situation. Montreal played nearly the last 9 minutes of the final game (believed to be the longest stretch a team has played with the goalie pulled) that year with an empty net just to try to get 2 more goals against the Chicago Black Hawks and preceded to score none losing 10-2 with 5 empty netters against. Why? 3 or more goals would have given the tiebreaker to the Canadians and they would have made the playoffs. Whereas the team they were fighting to get the last spot for, the New York Rangers, beat the Detroit Red Wings 9-5 against a very hungover Red Wings team who partied heavily the night before for making the playoffs for the first time in 3 years. By the way the Red Wings scored 2 empty net goals as the Rangers pulled their goalie with a 9-3 lead late in the third in an attempt to score more goals. Yes the Rangers had the lead and still pulled the goalie to try to score more goals at the end of the game. Tiebreaker rules lead to some very interesting decisions that season.

 

The first non NHL team shows up at 22 with the Syracuse Nationals (What never heard of them?) and the Philadelphia 76ers (who is the current incarnation of the Syracuse Nationals) combined as one franchise.

 

Coming back to modern times I don't think it will be much of an impact that no Canadian team makes the playoffs. More a statistical footnote that it would only be the second time in history that it happened.


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Woo!  Let's go Cuse!

 

The Nationals were a hit wayyyy back in the day.  I only know this because I attended college in Syracuse. :)

 

Getting back to hockey, what does Montreal have to do next year to rebound?  I mean, come on, they get off to a stellar start this season only to fall apart after the midway point.  Is missing Carey Price really the reason they faltered?


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Yes. Carey Price is the only reason the Canadians have been a dangerous playoff team for years. Look at what happened when Price got injured in the playoffs against the Rangers. They suddenly looked very average as the goal tending wasn't capable of covering for the defensive deficiencies. The Canadians, for the entire length of time they have had Price, have never been a team capable of winning the Stanley Cup. They have never had a #1 center during Price's tenure, they have been very thin up front since they last had Koivu, Gomez and Plekanec as their #1,2 and 3 centers and they have never had a solid #1 D pairing since forever too. No, Markov and Subban are nowhere near a top D pairing. Markov is well past his prime and was at his best a decent top pairing offensive defenseman. Those at his best days are well past him. He is currently at best a good 2nd pair NHL offensive defenseman. What makes it worse is the only options to play on the first pair with Subban is him or Petry. Neither are 1st pair talents currently.  They don't have a shutdown defenseman to pair with Subban, as I have just pointed out, nor a shutdown forward line either. For the past 7+ seasons they have been the Columbus Blue Jackets equivalent in talent in terms of players (that isn't a bad thing at all as the Blue Jackets are capable of just getting into the playoffs if they can stay healthy) with the best goalie in the world backstopping them.

 

Edit: Also tactically they play a defense first system. They have to with the roster they currently have. It, by far, gives them the best chance of winning.

 

Edit 2: As for what they have to do. A lot that can not be done. They need a #1 C. Plekanec is at best a #2 and Galchenyuk has yet to develop into a #2 C yet (while he can play as a 2nd line winger he still lacks the consistency. Also he really should have been in the minors/AHL in the first two seasons but due to no forward depth on the Canadians they had to play him in the NHL) while Eller is finally showing 3rd line center ability on a regular basis and Desharnais is nothing more than a 3rd line playmaker at best. The only real first line forward the team has is Pacioretty with Gallagher the only other forward that is capable of playing 1st line but I think is much better suited on the 2nd. Defensively they have Subban who is a bona fide 1st pairing D. After that they have Petry, Markov and Emelin who are all at best 2nd pair defensemen with Gilbert and Beaulieu the best third pairing they have in my opinion. They are a respectable team defensively with pretty much no offense behind its first line that in of itself is lacking quite a bit.

 

Edit 3: The Canadians fell apart about 1 month into the season when Price got hurt. The second he got hurt the team started to really struggle and they have been since.


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Canadians breath hockey so they will watch the PO for sure. Happy with how the Pens are acting in money time now. Big wins against Flyers and Caps. Canada needs some teams stepping up, definitely!


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Well no miracle run this year by the Sens. Not enough Hamburglar and a typical no show season by Bobby Ryan.

 

Poor Karlsson is wasting what was probably a career year in points. On the plus side we solidified our D. with Phaneuf. 

 

Hope MacArthur is good for next season and that they add a few pieces in the off season.


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Bobby Ryan actually showed up well. If your expecting 40 goals or 90-100 point seasons your wanting too much. Ryan is capable of getting 30 goals and is good for about 60-70 points a year. He is about on par for what he is good for and is having, excluding plus minus, his best year statistically since being traded to Ottawa. The issue with Ottawa is one more high end forward to go with Turris and Ryan and some better scoring depth.


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Nah, I have hope that they wont win the lottery. They really don't need Matthews, but I'm sure they wouldn't pass on him even though Laine would be a much better fit for the team. In other news, LGR! Got the p-off spot but at what cost :/ C and Girardi out, that's gonna hurt, especially losing C. Hope Staal lives up to his expectations and Rick can finally have a good spring.. Glad we have Zucc.


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Bobby Ryan actually showed up well. If your expecting 40 goals or 90-100 point seasons your wanting too much. Ryan is capable of getting 30 goals and is good for about 60-70 points a year. He is about on par for what he is good for and is having, excluding plus minus, his best year statistically since being traded to Ottawa. The issue with Ottawa is one more high end forward to go with Turris and Ryan and some better scoring depth.

 

I love Bobby don't get me wrong, but he has never played to the same level that he did with the Ducks. Granted having Selanne as a linemate probably is the reason why he did so well.

 

I think Ottawa really needs a decent bottom pairing at D and another top 6 forward to be a decent team. We'll see if the owner is willing to spend for that this summer.

 

Also a veteran coach wouldn't hurt either. The coaching graveyard here is getting ridiculous. 


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I love Bobby don't get me wrong, but he has never played to the same level that he did with the Ducks. Granted having Selanne as a linemate probably is the reason why he did so well.

 

I think Ottawa really needs a decent bottom pairing at D and another top 6 forward to be a decent team. We'll see if the owner is willing to spend for that this summer.

 

Also a veteran coach wouldn't hurt either. The coaching graveyard here is getting ridiculous. 

 

You got why Ryan had better numbers in Anaheim. He had a better team around him. However Ryan is actually a better overall player now in Ottawa than he was in Anaheim. If you expect Ryan to put up numbers like he had in Anaheim with Ottawa the way it currently is your expecting way too much. It is a heck of a good job for him to be flirting with 60 points. Especially with his C Turris having a very forgettable year.

 

The coaching graveyard is most likely due to ownership thinking too highly of the team and when the overly lofty expectations aren't met the coaches are getting axed. That isn't to be put on the coaches. MacLean got the Jack Adams for getting Ottawa into the playoffs as the 7th seed in 11-12. Ottawa hasn't really gotten much better since that year. Heck Cameron barely got a year and got axed because what? No miracle run like last year? Ottawa never should have been close to the playoffs last year based upon how they played for most of the year. Both MacLean and Cameron actually did a good job getting the team near if not into the playoffs when they were the head coach. What more could you want out of the coaches when they are pulling playoff appearances out of their backsides almost every year with a team that mostly shouldn't even be in the playoff picture? The management group in Ottawa needs to take a step back, get realistic with the team they have and the expectations they should have and give the next coach a realistic shot to try to grow the team. Player wise they need at least 2 defensemen with at least 1 being a top 4, a top 6 forward or two and at least 3 bottom 6 forwards.


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Watching Ryan play I always am kept wanting more. Rumours around town are that he doesn't show up to camp in the best of shape. Maybe that will change this summer. He and Zibanejad have been criticized at length for it.

 

As far as management goes, it has been a circus here due to Melnyk's big mouth and lack of spending. Our only hope is that he sells the team or give us the ability to spend to the cap. Firing Maclean was a huge mistake IMO and that had Melnyk's fingerprints all over it. His coaching helped us win that series against Montreal a few years back.

 

Now with a new GM, which was hired from within. I'm not expecting things to change that much, which is maddening. We need to surround Karlsson with better D in order to go anyhwere. The Sens goals for is not that bad but the goals against are laughable. No post season here unless that changes drastically.  

 

When Maclean was here, Ryan played with Turris and MacArthur and they did fairly well.

 

But the last few seasons he has played with Zibanejad and Hoffman and went on his yearly disappearing act at the end of the season.

 

Now Turris was playing injured for half the season so that didn't help and MacArthur was hurt all season.


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Speaking of Clarke MacArthur, why is it that so many Sabres players do better after they leave Buffalo?

 

MacArthur never amounted to much in Buffalo, but he is doing well in Ottawa.

 

Drew Stafford was a huge disappointment in Buffalo, but has been scoring in Winnipeg.

 

Is Buffalo that toxic?  I knew some of it had to do with coaches and management.  I never liked Darcy Regier.  Tim Murray is at least a no-nonsense guy.


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I feel like coaching may have been the issue with MacArthur. I didn't follow him much in Buffalo, but in Toronto he was playing on the third line, but in Ottawa he plays on the first line. That may be a reason why his stats improved significantly.


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Even in Toronto, MacArthur performed much better than his days in Buffalo.

 

Who will be the surprise team of 2016-2017?  Do you think Buffalo will make the playoffs next year?  How about Edmonton?


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Neither of them. Buffalo may flirt with being over 500 and Edmonton is in a perpetual rebuild with no signs of coming out yet. McDavid will be of big help but there are too many holes on that team still. If I were to look for a surprise team for next year based upon current teams I would go Arizona in the West (nearly typed Phoenix) and Carolina in the East. Why? Young rosters that got better as the year went on. Carolina even kept up a good pace after the trade deadline staying in the playoff picture until late. If the younger players continue to improve and they both get some outside help this offseason they could be the surprise teams next year. However I think it is way too early to actually pick a surprise team.

 

As for Buffalo no it isn't toxic nor was it ever. MacArthur was young and raw on a then not particularly good Buffalo team. Stafford was just getting to playing at the level where he is in Winnipeg when he was traded. Also Winnipeg was a better team too and Stafford could play in more of a support role rather than a lead role. Buffalo just let go a number of veterans that were key to their success in the mid 2000s and asked too much from the young players that just weren't quite ready for the roles asked of them. For both players it was a case of moving on was the best for both parties. Buffalo could focus on a whole rebuild and the players traded could further develop and fill out on better teams.


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