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#261

Posted June 17, 2019 - 02:42 PM

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Lol I love the comparison but to be fair, catching a dog's leash is a lot easier than stopping the puck but love the example.  I would offer my 2 cents for this Rask debate but I've already had this exact conversation with Rain about the goals Hellebuyck let in, in round 1



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Posted June 17, 2019 - 02:50 PM

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catching a dog's leash is a lot easier than stopping the puck

 

Highly debatable.  A hockey net is 6'x4'.  The width of my front yard is 40 yards.  Rask had to move 6 inches.  Have you ever had to run 20 yards and make a diving grab on a moving leash?

 

Typical goalie save percentage is > .900

The chances of me snagging that leash was < 25%.

 

OK, we've strayed far enough from "hockey discussion".  Haha.

 

Next.

 

ps. Rask is not clutch.


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#263

Posted June 17, 2019 - 03:02 PM

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Name me a sport that requires the goalie to excel with the skills of running 20 years quickly and grabbing something like a dangling leash. I'm not saying what you did wasn't athletic. However, what you did is in no way applicable to playing goalie in any sport. That is what I meant. What you did is more applicable to playing receiver in American football.

 

 

I would offer my 2 cents for this Rask debate but I've already had this exact conversation with Rain about the goals Hellebuyck let in, in round 1

 

Offer it anyways. No harm in it. While I have a fairly good understanding of the goalie position it doesn't make me a hockey goalie guru or what I say 100% fact in any way. It is just my analysis based upon what I know of the position combined with my experience playing goalie in another sport. The fact is you could go to every goalie coach and analyst and get different takes amongst them. If the closest thing to experts on the subject won't agree what does it matter if we do or don't?



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Posted June 17, 2019 - 03:18 PM

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I was more referring to the situation/clutch factor than the action itself.  (the action was more like a CF diving for a fly ball).  Rask seems more like a positional guy than the reflex/athletic type.

 

If I had to rate Rask for GPHM, it would be something like:

 

REF 85

POS 99

CTL 90

HND 80

ATH 85

END 79

SPI 90

 

My Tim Thomas ratings:

 

REF 99

POS 75

CTL 95

HND 80

ATH 95

END 80

SPI 99


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Posted June 17, 2019 - 03:48 PM

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Honestly, I see Rask as being a poor man's Lundqvist (I mean this more tongue and cheek as I'm not saying Rask is bad, more that Lundqvist is/was better.  Also not talking about how they play but more the saves they make vs goals they let in).  They are both great goalies who can make unbelievable saves but then the stuff they let in makes you scratch your head.  The Marchand line change goal I'd say was more unstoppable than the O'Reilly tip.  Pietrangelo dangled him and the other defender, that happens.  All playoffs Rask was playing out of his mind and making glorious saves, but the O'Reilly tip was still stoppable imo.  Sure that is a tricky shot to handle as it was tipped, but O'Reilly was high enough in the slot that he at the very least could have played the shot as tho he expected the tip.  He could see ROR and knew the tip was coming.  I think he could have reacted differently than leaving his pads a mile apart for that shot.  His positioning was fine but it was one of the weaker goals he let in during the finals rather than it being a bad goal.  That being said, I am less of a goalie analyst than any other position but there are my 2 cents lol 



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Posted June 17, 2019 - 06:48 PM

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I was more referring to the situation/clutch factor than the action itself.  (the action was more like a CF diving for a fly ball).  Rask seems more like a positional guy than the reflex/athletic type.

 

If I had to rate Rask for GPHM, it would be something like:

 

REF 85

POS 99

CTL 90

HND 80

ATH 85

END 79

SPI 90

 

My Tim Thomas ratings:

 

REF 99

POS 75

CTL 95

HND 80

ATH 95

END 80

SPI 99

 

Fair enough then.

 

As for Rask being more positional it is a thing being taught to goalies now and has been the thing for a number of years as well. Focus on your positioning and then use your athleticism only when you have to. That said in regards to your ratings I don't think that they are too far off at all. I would put Rask's ath and ref at 90 and 92 respectively though. Also Thomas' control I would drop to 85-88 area. He was well known for giving big rebounds. It would give him a chance to recover for any rebound chances but it also acted as a double edge sword against him.

 

Honestly, I see Rask as being a poor man's Lundqvist (I mean this more tongue and cheek as I'm not saying Rask is bad, more that Lundqvist is/was better.  Also not talking about how they play but more the saves they make vs goals they let in).  They are both great goalies who can make unbelievable saves but then the stuff they let in makes you scratch your head.  The Marchand line change goal I'd say was more unstoppable than the O'Reilly tip.  Pietrangelo dangled him and the other defender, that happens.  All playoffs Rask was playing out of his mind and making glorious saves, but the O'Reilly tip was still stoppable imo.  Sure that is a tricky shot to handle as it was tipped, but O'Reilly was high enough in the slot that he at the very least could have played the shot as tho he expected the tip.  He could see ROR and knew the tip was coming.  I think he could have reacted differently than leaving his pads a mile apart for that shot.  His positioning was fine but it was one of the weaker goals he let in during the finals rather than it being a bad goal.  That being said, I am less of a goalie analyst than any other position but there are my 2 cents lol 

 

This I fully agree actually. That still doesn't change the fact that how he reacted to it meant that it wasn't saveable. Ideally, and only because we know what happened, he would have slid slightly to the blocker side while dropping into a butterfly stance closing off the bottom of the net for any deflections while also getting into position to make the save on the initial shot. That then still leaves him very vulnerable to any high deflections, especially high glove, which him staying upright as he did would be better for. Thus it could be argued that Rask played it for an unknown tip direction, which is what I think he did. However, either way it gets played if the shot has a chance of getting tipped you have to commit to either covering low or as much of the net as you can and either way if you get it wrong you lose as there is no way to recover. It is a no-win scenario for goalies which is why I said earlier that the only defense is not letting the shot get tipped in the first place via the defender tying up the other players stick. While deflection plays can be seen in that the possibility is there it is impossible to read where the puck is going to be deflected. It is very easy to second guess this play seeing what happened however it is also a bit unfair because of how it is impossible to read where the puck is going to be deflected. Had Rask known that it was going to be deflected 5 hole I am sure he would have done something very different to cover the first shot and the deflection. Remember hindsight is 20/20.



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Posted June 19, 2019 - 07:40 PM

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Dekey Pete with the Calder and Barkov with the Lady Byng.  Pretty happy with the awards so far



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Posted July 09, 2019 - 05:11 AM

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Metro looks very dangerous for now



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Posted July 09, 2019 - 09:13 PM

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My Rangers may be in contention for the playoffs!!!  IMO, their team looks scary



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Posted July 10, 2019 - 08:33 PM

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I, for one, am thrilled to see JD back with the Rangers organization!  I think he brings a lot of knowledge and experience to the table.

 

I loved him as the Rangers color commentator back in the day along with Sam Rosen.



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It's quiet in the NHL, usually means something huge will happen.

So many RFA's and UFA's left. 

 

Hope my Pens will still do something. We need some help at D. Maybe JJ + Rust for a top 4D?



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In this case that isn't likely, tho be since many teams are within 6 million of the salary cap. The only team with plenty of cap space to really use is Ottawa and I don't see them doing much, to be honest. Case in point the Zack Smith, Artem Anisimov trade. It was done to get Ottawa above the cap floor. To boot they are actually paying Anisimov less than they would be paying Zach Smith because half of that cap hit was a contract bonus that took effect July 1st.

 

All the Pens need to do is get Pettersson resigned and their top 4 is good. They just need to get JJ's cap hit out to likely do that.






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