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Posted March 05, 2019 - 02:40 PM

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To recap, a trade took place yesterday between my team (Red Tide) and Arcola Alligators that was perceived as unfair and was flagged by numerous managers, some enthusiastically accusing me of all kinds of cheating. I have been in discussions with Glawing for some time today as to how to best handle the situation - he has seen the messages between myself and the other manager involved, and will comment on this thread to confirm that no cheating took place. The trade will also be reversed.

Here is a recap of what happened:

 

1) I had drawn-out discussions with the Arcola manager with regard to his player Gibazov (91F), sending him numerous offers, including Bowen(89C) that eventually went to the team.

2) The latest offer from me was Bowen (89C), and my GHL 1st for Gibazov (91F)
3) The Arcola manager countered this offer with Gibazov + 2nd for Bowen, which I immediately accepted because while it is unfavourable to him, I am not responsible for his decisions - I am responsible for making my team better. The offer was bad, but not so bad as to suspect any kind of foul play or self-destruction.

4) Some time shortly after my acceptance of the offer, the manager of Arcola resigned, making the entire situation seem entirely more shady.

I proactively reached out to Glawing today to address the situation, providing my POV, and offering to reverse the trade. 

I appreciate the pushback of this community against cheating, which this would have been a blatant and easily noticeable example of, had it actually happened. That was awesome. 

What was not so awesome is some managers immediately jumping to arms and accusing me of shady dealings not only in this trade, but every other trade (you know who you are), and refusing to listen to my POV. Not fantastic for your health to have so much repressed anger, friends  ;) .

I hope this clears it up. Glawing will comment below to confirm, and we can all move on with our season.

Alex



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Posted March 05, 2019 - 03:00 PM

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Hi all!

 

As Alex mention above we had a long discussion about this case and to begin with I would like to say there is NO CHEATING regarding this trade. I have seen messages as proof and after new release we got some new tools helping verify some things we couldn't before. Will not mention what of course. :)

 

This particular case happened because a player signed up made some strange trades and later resigned which is sad but will of course happen from time to time. We thought it was best to revert the trade because of this. So the trade is now being reverted.

 

With that said we appreciate people noticing these kind of things and report them! We need your help with this! So keep reporting! This time it turned out to be legit but next maybe not.

 

Keep enjoying the game!

 

//Glawing



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Posted March 05, 2019 - 03:04 PM

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I'm completely satisfied with the end result.

 

I also have to commend you for handling this rather professionally and  not turning this into a shouting match as has happened in the past.



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Posted March 05, 2019 - 03:11 PM

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To recap, a trade took place yesterday between my team (Red Tide) and Arcola Alligators that was perceived as unfair and was flagged by numerous managers, some enthusiastically accusing me of all kinds of cheating. I have been in discussions with Glawing for some time today as to how to best handle the situation - he has seen the messages between myself and the other manager involved, and will comment on this thread to confirm that no cheating took place. The trade will also be reversed.

Here is a recap of what happened:

 

1) I had drawn-out discussions with the Arcola manager with regard to his player Gibazov (91F), sending him numerous offers, including Bowen(89C) that eventually went to the team.

2) The latest offer from me was Bowen (89C), and my GHL 1st for Gibazov (91F)
3) The Arcola manager countered this offer with Gibazov + 2nd for Bowen, which I immediately accepted because while it is unfavourable to him, I am not responsible for his decisions - I am responsible for making my team better. The offer was bad, but not so bad as to suspect any kind of foul play or self-destruction.

4) Some time shortly after my acceptance of the offer, the manager of Arcola resigned, making the entire situation seem entirely more shady.

I proactively reached out to Glawing today to address the situation, providing my POV, and offering to reverse the trade. 

I appreciate the pushback of this community against cheating, which this would have been a blatant and easily noticeable example of, had it actually happened. That was awesome. 

What was not so awesome is some managers immediately jumping to arms and accusing me of shady dealings not only in this trade, but every other trade (you know who you are), and refusing to listen to my POV. Not fantastic for your health to have so much repressed anger, friends  ;) .

I hope this clears it up. Glawing will comment below to confirm, and we can all move on with our season.

Alex

 

Hey,

 

Since you are talking about me, I feel obliged to reply.

 

Yes, I am accusing you of shady deals, since this is a shady deal. Also, you had another one on day 1. The fact that manager resigned after the trade just adds to it. That is DEFINITELY more then enough for legitimate accusation.

 

Also, behavior like that just ruins the games like this one and I am also not buying the spin you are trying to do here and trying to make yourself a victim. Even if there was no cheating, trading like this is going to get you in situations like this.



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Posted March 05, 2019 - 03:19 PM

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@Glawing - thank you for pitching in, and @MattBerserkers - I appreciate the sentiment.

@Peekaboo, I handheld you through the entire scenario through DMs, and yet here you still are. Not much more I can do or care to do in your case, so - best of luck. 



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Posted March 05, 2019 - 03:20 PM

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Hey,

 

Since you are talking about me, I feel obliged to reply.

 

Yes, I am accusing you of shady deals, since this is a shady deal. Also, you had another one on day 1. The fact that manager resigned after the trade just adds to it. That is DEFINITELY more then enough for legitimate accusation.

 

Also, behavior like that just ruins the games like this one and I am also not buying the spin you are trying to do here and trying to make yourself a victim. Even if there was no cheating, trading like this is going to get you in situations like this.

 

Try not to get too upset; I hate when people cheat but the staff have cleared him for as far as there cheat detection software allows.

 

The only real disagreement I have left was Red Tide accepting a super advantageous trade when the current trade talks were clearly at something more fair. But while I disagree with it, the trade was made and other managers have the right to accept the deal as it was offered to him, even if by mistake. However the trade was reversed and so I can't complain about anything.

 

He has explained the other sketchy looking trade to me, but I would like him to also add a quick explanation on this page as well just for anybody that has read the chat. As far as I can tell, Red Tide is just victim (if you can even call it that) of some weird behaviours of other managers.



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Posted March 05, 2019 - 03:31 PM

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@Peekaboo, I handheld you through the entire scenario through DMs, and yet here you still are. Not much more I can do or care to do in your case, so - best of luck. 

 

The only reason I am here is because you decided to "mention" me. I just explained to you why I have legitimacy to make an accusation. So, not much I can or do care to do in your case - best of luck :)



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Posted March 05, 2019 - 03:44 PM

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The only reason I am here is because you decided to "mention" me. I just explained to you why I have legitimacy to make an accusation. So, not much I can or do care to do in your case - best of luck :)

I don't see where he mentioned anyone specifically. Unless my eyes are just skipping over something he just said numerous managers. That includes me, you and a few other managers that have been paying attention to the chat. Please don't start taking it personally because that's always how soul crushing agreements get started.

Edit: Second last paragraph. I see it now. Forgive and move on. The situation is dealt with so there isn't any reason to have an argument.

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Posted March 05, 2019 - 04:20 PM

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Matt, no need to be his lawyer, he is eloquent enough :)

 

I am sorry, but I cannot but respond if I see something that is refering to myself. Especially in a way that insinuates that he has been victimised and changing the context of the whole situation. My messages and replies here are polite enough.



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Posted March 05, 2019 - 04:28 PM

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That trade was outrageously bad on a few levels.  At first I thought the CPU trade logic went corrupt, then realized it was between two managers and one of the managers quit shortly after, so it's easy to see how some might think there was something shady going on.

 

That being said, all managers try to better their teams via trade.  Most trades can be considered lopsided depending upon your point of view - salary dumps, etc.  I'm not sure there are too many managers here who would have rejected that trade if proposed to them, so I understand that side of it.  I appreciate & accept the explanation and don't see any cheating here.  Ready to move on. 

 

I think reversing it was the right thing to do.  Also, as Alexander stated above, despite the drama it causes, managers pushing back against unfair trades can be a good thing because it protects the integrity of the game.  We're all competitive, that's why we are all here trying to win.  But the last thing I'd want to see happen is for managers to get frustrated and leave because of unfair trades.  That and whoever takes over that CPU team would be at a horrible disadvantage.  Personally, I think the ill will should be directed at the manager who offered the trade then quit.


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Posted March 06, 2019 - 11:12 AM

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I think I may have been the first to call this out during the live chat, but I am more than content to see the results, even if it appears intent was not there.  Self-policing ourselves is still the best way to handle this, so I stand by this.  Sometimes each of us might be involved in something that looks shady, sometimes due to our own fault and other times not, so glad we could flag it, talk about it (mostly) civilly, and then find a solution.  

 

I think a lot of people are on short leashes here due to the relaunch so expect a bit more scrutiny on each other and the game until we are a few weeks into the game and people are starting to feel more comfortable.  I know I am still trying to give the system the benefit of the doubt and see where it goes!



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Posted March 08, 2019 - 12:20 PM

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I'am sorry for that.

 

Tough i will not have time for this game, but now when i  fix everything , iam back but this time at SHL league, but if i would not have that situation i would not accept or change trade offer, just tough i would not need that player and  canceled his 1st draft pick and he got a good but very unbalanced trade, my mistake.



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Posted March 17, 2019 - 12:28 AM

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Hopefully we don't have any more dodgy activites like this once the trial period ends.






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